Recently I visited Udaygiri-Khandgiri caves near Bhuvaneshwar in Orissa. While other devotee Jains were putting their heads on the feet of Lord Adinath and others at the Jain temple on the hill, I took a chance to visit a so called Hindu temple in the mid of the hill.
This Hindu temple is nothing but two Jain caves with beautiful ancient Jain idols. Jain pilgrims rarely visit these caves and miss many things that they must know.
photo: Parshwanath converted to Vishnu
Photo: A Panda in front of Jain idols
When I visited the cave, a hindu Pandya in saffron and yellow cloths was standing in front of an idol of a Godess at the right side wall of the cave. I entered the cave and saluted him. Then I saluted the Godess and asked, 'who is she?' 'She is Maa Parvati' he replied. Then I went to the front wall and found that there were a row of 24 black idols of Jain Teerthankars followed by 24 Goddesses, which are called as Shasan Devis by Jains. However, to know wahat the Pandya says, I asked him, 'Which Godd and Godesses these are?' 'In upper row, they are 24 avatars of Lord Vishnu, and the Goddesses here are avatars of Maa Parvati' he said. I found that the idol of Lord Parshwanath was converted to Lord Vishnu by wearing him cloths. The same thing was done with the idol of Padmavati to convert her in Durgadevi. When I was leaving the cave, the Pandya told me that there is another cave at left and suggested me to go there. So I went there and saw a young and dirty pandya with a saffron dhoti and a thread on his chest had seated in front of the beautifully carved Jain idols on the front wall. I took a photograph of the front wall along with him. Then I requested him to move from there to take photographs of just the wall. He went out. There were more Jain idols on the left and right side wall of the cave.I took a lot of photographs in that cave also. |
In reality, 24 tirthankaras are the original source of all religions in the world. Jain religion was started only after 850 (specific 870) years after the the Nirvana of Mahavie Bhagwan. Since the starting of First Jina Adinath Bhagwan, the preachings of Jina begun. Later on, people who follow forget to remember the preachings, and begin to interpret on their own way and started Hindu religion very late around ten to 15 thousand years back. It is not a surprize to me that Lord Parshwanath as VIshnu and Padmavati as Durga, as envisioned by Gnani Purusj in the past.
ReplyDeleteJashwant Shah
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This Hindu temple is nothing but two Jain caves with beautiful ancient Jain idols. Jain pilgrims rarely visit these caves and miss many things that they must know.
ReplyDelete===have hindus destroyed those jain idols like the bamiyan buddhas ??---if not, i don't detect a grateful tone from you sherlocks.Oh never mind ! i forget .hinduism is that feast where everyone can eat out of her plate and then drill a hole in that plate itself===
When I was leaving the cave, the Pandya told me that there is another cave at left and suggested me to go there. So I went there and saw a young and dirty pandya with a saffron dhoti and a thread on his chest had seated in front of the beautifully carved Jain idols on the front wall.
===was the pandya cleaner then the lice infested jain monks who relieve themselves in 7 diff places and then roll in the mud to clean themselves?===
Later I discussed the issue with the manager of the Jain dharmshala. He was surprised that how could I got entrance there as the Pandyas do not allow Jains to come there. I said immediately 'because I didn't go there as a Jain'.
===were u then temporarily a hindu?or deceiving is just a way of life for u?===
I think this is one more case of converting Jain idols to Hindu one.
===i think this is one more case of an ingrate p-sec trying to drive a wedge between jains and hindus .
May Lord Parshwanath ,Lord Vishnu,Durgadevi. ,the 24 Jain Teerthankars,the 24 Goddesses( which are called as Shasan Devis by Jains),the 24 avatars of Lord Vishnu and the 24 forms of Durgadevi--- collectively never allow the likes of u to ever succeed===
regards
aparjita
Hi Aparjita,
ReplyDeleteIts very sad to see so much venum in your voice. You dont appear either Jain or Hindu, for none of these faiths teach anything near how you sound in your comment.
BTW- Bamiyan was destroyed by Taliban and not Hindus.
Wake up to the world of Goodness, for it doesnt matter whether you are Jain or Hindu as long as you are clean in the mind and heart...
And please do not ever curse anybody, you have no right to do so for you are far far far away from being perfect yourself.
Look into the mirror once and see the person you are with respect to the comment you have posted...
God help you! In your case.. any God will do.
Regds
Kavitha
That should not surprise you. In Hindu viewpoint (especially vaiShNava) the first jina tIrthankara shrI AdinAtha / Adideva is but viShNu himself born in the house of a great king and queen of ayodhyA. This is mentioned is srImadbhAgavat purANa.
ReplyDeleteNow that said, should it be 'objectionable' for jaina brothers and sisters that hindus worship jaina deities in a different form and name? But at the same time, I think if jains feel strongly about it, Hindus should be open to hand over the site to jina-s. I am not aware of any such demands but I may be uninformed.
Lord Vishnu is often portrayed resting on the huge serpent of Sesha.
ReplyDeleteLord Vishnu Photo, Sri Vishnu Picture, God Vishnu
Aparjita, you sound like you're in complete denial. Yes, these facts are TRUE. While Hinduism may prevail with millions of followers, it originated from Jainism. It is very sad that you're very ignorant -- HISTORICAL ANCIENT JAIN TEMPLES ARE BEING CONVERTED INTO HINDU TEMPLES and that is the fact. So before you go ahead and steal or convert any more Jain temples, face the facts. Hindus are nothing but BOGUS.
ReplyDeleteFinally, it is up to us Jains to take a step and start protecting our temples before these fiends come and take over. We must accept that responsibility. Simply telling the ASI will not make any difference as anything to do with the Indian Government means political scandals and money making schemes. Therefore, we must frequently visit these temples and continue supporting them.
ReplyDeleteIt is good for us that by way of these all hindus are praying jain's god & goddesses. but that dosent mean that they can take over all these places just sack of money like Amarnath.
ReplyDeleteThe solution should be logiccally and leagally and should not to be cause of any controversy.
Regards,
Rujul Desai
Jainism is all around but people are leaving concept of jainism and they are becoming hindus... I don't understand why these jains are sleeping well, I will surely do something for this.
ReplyDeleteJainism is the most ancient religion of the world.Khandgiri and Udaigiri caves are also made for meditation.This meditation was done by jain monks and saints.
ReplyDeletemoreover from historical point of view, A great emperor KHARVELA was follower of jain and he got back KALING JIN idol from magadh emperor after a huge war.KHARVELA gave up his throne towards the end of his life and became an ascetic.KALINGA got its glory back during that time.
Conversion is very miserable and we have to check it because as we have lost many jain temples in south india also.This list includes Tirupati temple(balaji idol is of neminath actually.),virupaksh,meenakshi temples etc.All above said information is proved by Archeological survey of india.
follow this link
http://dravidian-jain.blogspot.com/
the same story is with the tirupati as you can see goddess padmavati and jain god became balaji for the reasons you mentioned above.
ReplyDeleteno wonder this is seen in Badarinath temple where Adinath worshiped as badarivishal.
ReplyDeleteGIRNAR JI ME BHI YAHI HO RAHA HAI....WE SHOULD TRY TO SAVE THIS TIRTH....
ReplyDeleteMANY PEOPLE ASKED THAT HOW ?
WE SHOULD DONATE MONEY TO THOSE COMMUNUNITY WHOSE TRY TO SAVE JAIN TIRTH...?
कडवा सच?
ReplyDeletedis is such a disgrace to our jain community...cnt we do anything to save our heritage..the conversion of jain idols to hindu had been occuring for a long time n dis is vry disheartening..the matter should be dealed legally n jain community must step forward to maintain the glory of our so precious n beautiful 'DHARMA'.
ReplyDeleteTIRUPATI BALAJI , THIRUMALA -JAIN TEMPLE OF DRAVID
ReplyDeleteTIRUMALA TIRUPATI-BALAJI: A DRAVID JAIN TEMPLE
THIRUMALAI - TIRUPATI - BALAJI- LORD VENKATESHWARA IS A JAIN TEMPLE OF DRAVID CIVILIZATION.
( A fact supported by Historians, Archaelogist and researchers worldwide)
WORLD'S RICHEST TEMPLE - This is originally a Jain temple converted by Ramanujam/Sankaracharya around 8th century A.D onwards along with 1000s other dravid temples.
ORIGIN OF TEMPLE: THIRTHANKAR, TEMPLE BUILT BY: DRAVIDIAN CIVILIZATION
LORD VENKATESHWARA- NO HISTORICITY, NAME CONVERTED BY ARYAN BRAHMINS.
ORIGINAL IDOL: THIRTHANKAR- NEMINATH -
HIDDEN BY BIG NAMAM , JEWELLARY, FACE COVERED.
Complete idol is covered to hide its original identity. Balaji has been photographed on many occassions without Jewellary and it is found to be Standing thirthankara, which many brahmins believe and admit. Archaelogical scientists, honest historians have proved this to be a Jain temple.
Brahmins also believe even Ramayana is myth and no real things existed whatever depicted in it.
Millions of people visit Balaji temple but no one know reality about this temple. It is truly dravid temple, which is confirmed by Archaelogical department as Jain temple. Many brahmins silently believe and agree that it is originally Jain temple converted by Ramanujam and Sankaracharya as 1000s of other dravid Jain temples converted, rechristened by Avatar philiosophy. No Historian can ever claim that there was any god by name Lord venkateshwara.
Many historians world wide believe - any given old temple in southern part of India is originally a Jain temple. However it may have changed its name.
As such Hinduism ( word coined by britishers) was not a single religion till recently . It use to be known with hundreds other names in different part of asia. Eg. Saivism, vaishnavism, sanatan, Vaidic and so many different names according to geographical locations. No wonder there are millions of god worshipped. thanks to britishers for reuniting and giving a common name.
Archaeological Senior officers (who chose not to comment much due to political and brahmin (aryan)dominance ) firmly believe that originally complete dravid population was Jain who were not fighters like aryans, and believers of Ahimsa, whose heritage was stolen by cunning aryans who came to India around 3500 years ago. They slowly entered into dravid land grabbed their property, culture, heritage and even literature.
Brahmins had only means to survive with temples, caste system was created by them according to their whims, fooled people with Avatars, mutilated dravid temples,converted them into whatever name they fancied eg. venkateshwara, kapalishwara, varadaperumal, etc which neither has historical identity nor these gods are even talked about in any literature. Moreover these fabricated avatars are not known in other sects of Brahmin religion and Hinduism. Let us say Lord Kapalishwara, or Meenakshi, kamakshi cannot even be identified by people from UP, Delhi, Rajasthan, Gujrat. These avatars are only known in few places in South that too among those brahmins who converted Dravid temples to Aryan temples by deceit.
Recent historians who are not influenced politically or motivated by brahimnisation firmly convey that even today no one is interested in publishing real history of dravids which was superimposed by Aryans. their heritage is neglected, their literatures are faked by Brahimins.
For example Thirukural was product of dravid civilization ( written by Jain Saints) but later it was labelled as Hindu literature at the time Hinduism was not known with its present name around 1st century B.C.when sacrifice of animals and vaidic religion was in vogue.
To conclude Tirupati balaji temple is wonderful temple belonging to all devotees, it can be run the way it is going. But atleast its true history and identity has to be made known.
ReplyDeleteHow long millions of people will be fooled with fake identity given to this temple by brahims? How long its abhisekham and other rituals will be performed in private with closed doors.? I think most of gods elsewhere in hinduism whose abhisekham is performed in public view, same way Tirupati's rituals need to be done in open with public view. As we all believe god are not property of brahmins alone, but they belong to devotees.
Why Tirupati Lord venkateshwara's face has to be hidden. When no face of Lord Rama, Lord Krishna, Lord siva, Lord brahma, Lord Ganesha are hidden. This looks quite weird hiding face of god to mislead its real identity.
We would all love to have our god let it be brahmin or jain , it has to be in open for everyone.
Let us ask those brahmins to perform all pooja, abhisekham openly, not to hide with curtains or by closing doors. There is absolutely no need to keep God in private if this is real .
One real good picture has to be published as it was created many centuries ago as Lord Neminath without jewellary , namams and flowers, let their devotees see their own lovely god without barrier. afterall devotee when comes with 100 % pure devotion they must be allowed to see their real god 100%, not loaded with jewellary, artificial foreign elements which are used for covering true identity. This is one of reason only 2 % of complete structure is visible to devotees, which doesn't happen with Lord Krishna, Lord Rama, Lord Hanuman, Lord Ganesha in other parts of India. God's identy is hidden only in such temples when temple would have been converted from Jain temple and their naming is done on fabricated, non-historical avatars.
Can we request temple authorities to reveal its true identity and to see full face and posture of god . Can we have real photograph without artificial projected hands, face and other parts.
I think brahmins would never allow to do that. Our brahmin dominated society is far away from truth, they have managed to reverse complete history of this country.
Let us request our government to atleast make the truth available to every devotee, not living under the myths and stories. Indian courts have already declared few decades ago, this being truly jain temple. Unfortunately today people think jains are only who are from part of Rajasthan, Gujraj or some pockets of North India who are basically trading community. But truth is that real Jains are only who were dravidians. Present Jains in Rajasthan, gujrat are only few who converted from Aryan brahmin religion. Original Jains from ages are dravids (original inhabitants of bharat)who are living in Tamilnadu, Karnataka, Maharashtra, Kerala , bihar into farming, labour jobs and are very poor, whose heritage was looted, converted which is as old as 4th century b.c. - can be found abandoned or converted all over. jainism existed much before lord Mahavira.
ReplyDeleteNorth American based historians have traced Jain history upto 8000 years old with enough evidences and proof. An American historian has said Lord rishabnath has been renamed as Lord Siva.
From ages dravid history has been mutilated, wrongly potrayed by so called responsbile vested interests of society, politics and even government. It is Aryans whose history, mythology and wrong facts are superimposed over dravid history, who were immigrants to India.
Dr Santhalingam, senior director of Archaelogical survey and his assistant, and ASI has unpublished researched facts which clearly state that , Every old temple in south was once jain temple, presently known with different identity created by brahmins, few such examples out of 1000s of dravid jain temples converted to Brahmin temples are:
1) Madurai meenakshi temple
2) kanchipuram kamakshi temple (Kanchipuram has more than 100 temples)
3) varadaperumal temple ( kanchipuram)
4) thiruvanmalai Arunachalam temple
5)Mylapore kapaliswara temple
6) nagaraja temple nagercoil
7) Thirumala balaji temple, ( total resemblance to thirumalai jain temple in Arni district)
Dr. Santhalingam expressed that due to political circumstances these facts cannot be disclosed or published, but facts remain same. He also said thiruvalluvar was a Jain saint who wrote thirukural, he has done enough research but unable to publish same.Even Tamil was evolved from dravid Jain civilization born out of brahmi language. Enough evidences are avaialable from epigraphy. As per him aryan brahims invaded jain temples and converted them as their source of livelihood.
Let us all pray to Lord venkateshwara ( Lord Neminath) to protect our devotees and believers without the help of agents ( brahmins) , and let everyone know its true identity and real name, no matter Aryan Jains, dravid jains, or saivist or vaishnavaites control this temple. It is common for all the devotees. Worshiping any god without knowing real identity can only add to our ignorance. There shouldn't be any force which would work towards faking our very own god's name.
Above information is well supported and contributed by:
Archaeological survey of India , TN Branch
American Historians
German universities
Few Historians from India.
Foreign Universities.
Professors from Madras University.
Christians community of Nagercoil who were originally Jains
Nadar community who were originally Jains whose origin is traced upto 4000 years-specified in book written by Dr. M Emmanuel- dravid lineage